That was the same argument made when when hired Ken Whisenhunt. How did that work out?
Amazing how this outdated style worked for 4 years.
So who are these coaches that are modern? Sean Mcvay? His team was 12th in rush attempts.
You win with a balanced offense.
Please study statistics before you generalize about a coach.
Sean Payton was supposed to be some super innovative offensive mind. No he had Drew Brees as his QB.
Interesting that when Payton's Saints won the super bowl in 2009 they ran the ball 468 times! Again with Drew Brees as QB.
Mike McCarthey is another one of those guys tabbed as a modern offensive genius. What a coincidence he had Aaron Rogers right?
How did Bill Belichick fare without Tom Brady?
Sean Payton was supposed to be some super innovative offensive mind. No he had Drew Brees as his QB.
Interesting that when Payton's Saints won the super bowl in 2009 they ran the ball 468 times! Again with Drew Brees as QB.
Mike McCarthey is another one of those guys tabbed as a modern offensive genius. What a coincidence he had Aaron Rogers right?
How did Bill Belichick fare without Tom Brady?
If you’re going to use stats as an argument you better check your data.
Brees literally threw for 1000 yards more per season after switching to Paytons team. In the Superbowl year he threw for “only” 4300 yards but had the best rating of his career.
McCarthey (never heard him talked about as an offensive genius tbh) and Belichick you’re right about. In Belichecks defense, he is not an offence HC, so most of the Brady glory was given to the OCs Weis, O’Brien and McDaniels who all flamed out in the NFL (I suppose Weis had some success at ND).
Guess if that’s all it takes, no OC should ever be given credit.
This guy only succeeded with good QBs right?
Jake browning clearly an example of good QB this year but before that Peyton manning, Matt Stafford, as you mentioned Joe Burrow, and DEREK CARR.
Just great QBs carrying the guy.
Balance goes both ways we been running the football for year is about time we start passing.
And just because you fail once in 20 plus year with an offensive coach doesn't mean you can try again.
He was the OC the year before Burrow and the offense sucked. They were 30th in points scored. Why does that not count?
So he contributed to the failure that allowed them to have the number one pick. :banjump:
Where else was he OC? Not for those other jobs you mentioned.
Speaking of Ken Whisenhunt remember when he was an offensive genius?
He coached up Kurt Warner and the best WR trio in the league!
He coached up Kurt Warner and the best WR trio in the league!
So what's your point??
We should have keep Mike??
Callahan is a bad coach ???
You want it something else ??
Whosenhunt did not coach up Warner. Warner was a MVP QB long before he met Whisenhunt. Kurt Warner was probably more responsible for that teams success than was Whisenhunt.
First year with a really bad roster and no real QB. Why are some of you completely void of understand that it’s not either or. It’s a combination. There are good OCs who suck with bad talent. There are also bad OCs who suck with good talent. That I’m aware of no team has ever won a SB no talent,
So you are going to take away from his ability because he won with Borrow and great receivers and talent on offense? Makes no sense. NONE. But he does get credit for using the tools he was given and producing a very effective offense. Right? Every QB he has worked with has been successful. Even in 2019 that 2-14 team, Bengals QBs threw for 4000 yards.
So discredit any positive years that he worked directly as QB coach or OC, highlight the one terrible season in Cin that resulted in the #1 pick?
by that logic, bellicheck is trash. Did you see his last 2 years in NE?
Exactly what I was thinking, what's your point @RollTide
Drew Brees was on his second team when he hooked up with Sean Peyton. The team that drafted him, gave up on him. Pretty sure Peyton helped change that image. Both coaches and players matter.
Also important to note is that he learned from Peyton. Only a handful of people get that knowledge firsthand. He's one of them. So it's not only working with Peyton to transition him into Denver's offense, but it was also learning from a Hall of Fame QB too on how to think and how to prepare.
and Dolphins passed on him.
Titans passed on Brees too.... teams were very worried that he would never recover from his shoulder surgery.
They have ate the Titans lunch and stole the milk too many times
2008 was pitiful to me. Missed field goal, Titans with over a hundred yds offense, maybe 200
Crumplers first fumble in three years inside the 10 yard line. Kerry Collins outdoing the ravens qb Chris Johnson with over a 100 yds rushing, just to be held by one player while getting bent backawards by Ray Lewis
Lost on a last minute field goal 10-7
Anyway, that’s what I remember and I can’t stand ratbirds tp this day
Yep, super annoying Taylor Swift coverage is actually still preferred to any Ratbird success.
I get your point, but this was a bad analogy. SD didn't give up on him, at least not in the way you are implying.
When Brees left SD he was coming off a pretty major injury. There were legitimate concerns he may never be able to play again. That, combined with drafting Rivers 2 years earlier, is why SD moved on from him. But he beat out Rivers in both 2004 and 2005 for the starting job and was one of the best QBs in the league both seasons.
What's funny is that Saban wanted Brees over Culpepper. But Brees failed his exam with Miami and the upper management wouldn't sign off on it. Then he signs with NO and Saban leaves about 8 months later.
