A solid front of the warning track never thought it had a chance???
It's ok if he loses. It's ok if he has 1 bad game. But he's played pretty mediocre for 2 seasons now while also playing poorly in the postseason. It's time to move on.
He was pretty elite back then.
I'm not a big Tannehill fan but I do think he's the best option...provided there is a solution to his 36 mil cap hit....I think with an improved OL and WR group, Downing gone I'm willing to see what he can do.
This is what I mean about patience, or lack of. He was among the top 5 QBs 3 and 4 years ago.
While his season wasn’t great 2 years ago, he was a large piece of why the team earned the #1 seed (certainly wasn’t Henry for more than half the season) then he put up a dud (along with Downing) in a close game against a top team. It happens to EVERY QB. There are no exceptions.
Then this year the OL gets destroyed, Downing still calls plays, THill gets killed, and people want to move on.
I have no issue with that specifically talking about the cap hit, but the replacement ideas thrown out so far are ridiculous at best or imaginary. He’s the best option currently and has shown this team can win a SB with him as QB. They were on the doorstep twice in his 4 years.
No, a 70 foot rocket that comes down in front of the pitcher lol
He has had ONE season as a top QB statistically out his 10+ year career. That is what we call an outlier. Our defense is why we were the top seed in 2021. Tanne was extremely mediocre. And he was likewise extremely mediocre this year and cost us several games with terrible performances in the 2nd half.
Whether he is the best option in 2023 is debatable. But he damn sure ain't the best option going forward with this franchise. It's to rip the band-off and move on.
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Downing isn't the guy throwing into double coverage trying to force the ball to a UDFA WR with the game on the line.
Then what difference does the QB make?
If the D is why the titans can beat every top team and get a #1 seed, all you need is some bum that can just NOT turn the ball over.
this is what I’ve been saying all along, I’m glad some of you QB lovers are finally getting onboard too.
Because that's extremely tough for a defense to maintain. And as we saw last year, even with our defense playing amazing, Tanne still found a way to eff it up.
Past 30+ years, the SB winner has had a great QB like 80% of the time. And typically the SB loser also has a great QB. Also, the few SB winners that don't have great QBs NEVER repeat as champs within the same competitive window or even get back to the SB, while multiple great QBs have multiple SB appearances and rings over this time span.
There is a reason why QBs are the top paid players in the league. There's a reason why teams give up multiple 1st rounders for the chance to get a franchise QB. It's the surest bet to get you a SB win.
called the play with those exact features
Whether he called the play or not, Tanne is the one who made the decision to throw into double coverage.
Bolded is a made up subjective statistic. Although I’m glad you at least included SB loser as well. I’d include championship competitors personally because those teams are only 2 wins away from SB victory and typically also play the absolute best teams in the league.
In this cases, it’s rare circumstance that I blame a player from the losing team, but acknowledge the winning team as the good team they are. Good teams (and QBs) lose to good teams all the time.
to the point of your post, a D can maintain that level. Titans D did it almost all season in 2021. Difficult task, sure. Titans don’t turn the ball over 3x, they beat Cin and rematch a KC team they already beat for a SB visit. Don’t care if you blame THill, but even 1 less INT (3 is easily an outlier for him) and titans win.
As far as repeating champs, gotta go quite a ways back for a repeat champ (NE 03-04) and that’s regardless of QB.
And the reason QB is paid top dollar is not limited to 1 reason at all. Agents and teams chasing a QB with immediate success leads to over paying marginal QBs and lack of patience chances away even decent QBs with limited opportunities. Let’s call it a fluke Geno Smith finally had a decent team and probably better coaching around him but he’s not the only guy of his kind. Imagine if Rich Gannon was cast aside as quickly as todays QBs, no MVP, no Raiders SB visit.
And yes, there’s a reason teams give up multiple 1sts to go after a QB, most of the time, they’re stupid. They set their franchise back over rating a QB and end up selecting another one in just a couple years with another early round pick.
1. It isn't made up. Since 88/89 season there have been 6-7 times in 34 seasons that a QB has won it all without being one of the best QBs in the league (even if only for that season, aka Rypien). That means right at 80% of the SB winners between now and then had a great QB. Even if you include Superbowl losers, that number isn't much better, as it's around 8-9 teams. That's roughly 14-16 teams of the 68 total SB teams since 89. And most of the time they lost.
2. The point is more that a defense is hard to maintain an elite evel year over year. But even for a full season with a bad offense is still a tall task.
3. I mean repeating champs within their window of contention, not back to back champs. The Ravens won 2 SBs since 2000 using the defense 1st method. But they were spread pretty far apart and had some pretty awful seasons mixed in. Certainly not a sustained period of success.
4. Literally every team in the NFL believes you need a franchise caliber QB to compete in this league. Are you saying the Chiefs are stupid? The Bills are stupid?
saying a commitment to losing till the GOAT falls into your lap is not good football
1. I’d like to know what criteria you used to determine which QBs were “one of the best in the league”. Again, without objective criteria, this is a subjective statement. My count, I’ll gladly breakdown the statistical reasoning, 12 winners, 10 losers were NOT, “one of the best in the league” (I.e. top 10). I used the same time period of 34 seasons, that drops to 65% of the winners are “top QB”. Sometimes “name” is misleading to how they actually performed in a given year.
2. The D maintaining for a season is no different than a QB maintaining throughout a year. 2021 TN is a prime example of people underselling the extreme scenario that cost them the game against CIN. 3 TO is huge. With even 1 less, likely TN win. The 3rd was also an almost unheard of TO. It’s miracle in the meadowlands type s**t. With only :20 some seconds left, TN had the ball in a tie game. I dare you to look up how many games the opposing team wins that game in regulation. That is one of those under 5% scenarios. TN just lost the game, does not mean incapable of winning the SB, that team was capable.
3. Oddly enough, your example of Baltimore in 2012 is one of the few teams that are outliers to win the SB with a marginal D. They did not rely on D that year as they were a middle of the pack team (12 PA, 17 YdsA, 14 takeaways). Flacco’s incredible run (and lack of TO*****) got it done. In general, not sure I get this point. If you’re arguing a league best QB year after year (theres only ever 2-3 at any given time) keeps their team competitive, ok, I agree. There just isn’t that many QBs qualify.
4. What is a “franchise” QB? You’re right, every team believes you need a QB that isn’t just some random guy. Very few exceptions of winners have a FA pickup that wasn’t a long time established starter somewhere else. As many SB prove, a top 15 guy in that particular season is all you “NEED”. Outside of a couple QBs that only played a small part of the season, I couldn’t find any winners (or losers for that matter) that started the majority of the season and ranked below 20.
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